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Hammer meet Nail
September 9, 2008
12:42 am
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I wonder if his Horribleness realizes that even in his moment of triumph, he's making himself subservient to Cheezy on the Outside. After all, the nail is that sharp thing which is hit repeatedly by the hammer...

September 9, 2008
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Doc Spectral said:

I wonder if his Horribleness realizes that even in his moment of triumph, he's making himself subservient to Cheezy on the Outside. After all, the nail is that sharp thing which is hit repeatedly by the hammer…


I don't think he realizes that he is subservient to Cap'n Hammer, but the line \"Hammer meet nail\" is one that I don't understand.  Dr. Horrible might be saying, in effect, \"You, Cap'n Hammer, created the evilness in me by repeatedly hitting me.\"  (Recall that series of scenes, spring through winter, in which Hammer beat up Horrible.)  So, Dr. Horrible is saying meet what you created.  If this were the case, Billy/Horrible wasn't really evil even though he was in the Dr. Horrible costume, or at least wasn't evil until Cap'n Hammer took away Billy's girlfriend.

I would be interested in what anyone else thinks about that line.

September 9, 2008
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The first time I heard that lyric, my first thought was that it was another imperfect metaphor. An earlier discussion here on it mentioned that it could have been a reference to nails not breaking when hit with a hammer - Dr. H was repeatedly hit by Hammer and still hadn't broken.

Either make sense to me...

September 9, 2008
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jill said:

The first time I heard that lyric, my first thought was that it was another imperfect metaphor. An earlier discussion here on it mentioned that it could have been a reference to nails not breaking when hit with a hammer - Dr. H was repeatedly hit by Hammer and still hadn't broken.

Either make sense to me…


Thanks, Jill.  That makes sense to me, too.  I love how Joss and Co. have made so much of this movie ambiguous.

September 9, 2008
9:51 am
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This is my favorite line!

I always pictured it as Dr. horrible saying to Hammer, \"Time to finally see the true power of the person you've been beating on relentlessly for so long.\" you know, like a hammer constantly beats on a nail, Hammer would always beat on horrible. Now the Nail is finally getting to return the favor.

September 10, 2008
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“Hammer, meat Nail.”

The nail's come back for revenge.

But the irony is that a hammer without a nail isn't very useful and vise-versa. They go together, like rama lama lama ka dinga da dinga dong.

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September 11, 2008
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Some great theories... and nice to see the line confused more people than just me.. Thanks everybody for the Horrible input!

September 11, 2008
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Doc Spectral said:

Some great theories… and nice to see the line confused more people than just me.. Thanks everybody for the Horrible input!


To put a fine point on it, and to also show that I am such a Firefly geek, the line \"Hammer meet nail\" may be related to a recurring theme in Joss' work:  learning about the true nature of someone through how they handle/respond to torture.  In the Firefly episode \"War Stories,\" there were two discussions of a warrior poet who wrote about torture being an effective way to \"truly meet\" someone, and there was a scene involving the torture of Mal in which the indirect torturer actually said that he was going to \"meet the real you\" -- referring to Mal.  Recently, I started watching Angel for the first time and in season 1 there is an episode when Spike and his cohort/torturer had captured and were torturing Angel, and I think it was Spike that said something similar, ie, meeting someone through torture.  So maybe the line, Hammer meet nail, is not about Hammer creating the evil inside Billy, but rather the true nature of Billy/Dr. H has finally come out through Hammer's repeated violence towards Billy.

That's not to say that the true nature of Billy is evil, because soon after he says that line, and despite also saying that he will show Hammer no mercy, Billy can't seem to use the death ray on Hammer.   I think Billy is just as good and just as evil at the end of the movie as he was in the begiinning.

September 19, 2008
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Krissyfoofoo said:

This is my favorite line!

I always pictured it as Dr. horrible saying to Hammer, “Time to finally see the true power of the person you've been beating on relentlessly for so long.” you know, like a hammer constantly beats on a nail, Hammer would always beat on horrible. Now the Nail is finally getting to return the favor.


That's kind of what I figured too.  While a nail is something that gets pounded a lot, it's also an instrument of torture in it's own right--the Crucifixion being the most prominent example in Western iconography.  I think this line is meant to reflect that duality--Dr. Horrible has been knocked around by Captain Hammer and is now inflicting his own brand of pain in return.

September 23, 2008
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The hammer is what drives the nail to effect its purpose. 

A nail does nothing until the hammer forces it to its work. 

That's the way I interpreted it.

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September 24, 2008
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JayJayZee said:

The hammer is what drives the nail to effect its purpose. 

A nail does nothing until the hammer forces it to its work. 

That's the way I interpreted it.


Wow, that is a REALLY good way to look at it. The nail doesn't do anything until the Hammer provides resistance.

Kind of like in Unbreakable, Mr. Glass couldn't BE the villain until he had a hero to fight.

And a hero can't ever be there to save the day if there's nothng to save people from.

I have another way to look at it, though. The line is about consequence…a concept completely foreign to Captain Hammer. Up until that point, he'd been allowed to do whatever he wanted without consequence. When he nearly got Penny killed because of his negligence with the courier van? Not only was he not punished, he was rewarded. He's supposedly a “super-hero”, when there's nothing heroic about him. He's just an adrenaline jockey, in it for the thrills…and the fame and admiration and any related perks that come with those things (i.e., getting to sleep with Penny).

Dr. Horrible was introducing consequence into Captain Hammer's life. “Hammer, meet nail.” In other words, from now on, there will be consequences for your actions. If you pound me (the nail), you (the hammer) will be pounded in turn, because I will get back at you. Get used to it.

Hammer was NOT used to the concept that he could get pounded in turn. He didn't even know what physical pain felt like until Dr. Horrible came along.

I can see having that concept introduced to Hammer eventually transforming him into a real hero. If there are consequences, and he can be hurt by those consequences, that helps to quell his massive ego…he no longer harbors delusions of being “untouchable.” Also, understanding consequence can force him to think about others in a tight situation, not just himself. He wouldn't be so prone to letting an uncontrolled courier van (that he let loose) tear its way down the street while he flirts with some girl.

Then again, if he ever recovered from his pitiful crying stage at all, I would expect him to go back to being the same old Captain Hammer...not having learned a thing, maybe even a little worse (trying to exact vengeance on Dr. Horrible). And to be honest, that is exactly how I'd want it.

Really, we can overanalyze this 3-word line a million different ways, the beautiful thing is it doesn't make any interpretation better than any other.  They can all be right in their own way. Most of them convey the same basic idea to begin with: The Nail is getting back at the Hammer. The ideas we all put forth aren't mutually exclusive.

Even the idea that it's just another imperfect metaphor by Dr. Horrible, like his “fish from the head” analogy, doesn't have to be mutually exclusive to the other ideas. The line can have a double meaning. That's why it's so fun to speculate about what was meant: there isn't really a “right” answer.

November 12, 2008
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I first thought of it as Horrible messing up another metaphor, but the way you guys have thought of it makes more sense, e.g. the hammer driving the nail to its destination, so to speak.

November 12, 2008
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Starpossum said:

I first thought of it as Horrible messing up another metaphor, but the way you guys have thought of it makes more sense, e.g. the hammer driving the nail to its destination, so to speak.


I think it's a case of Horrible getting it wrong - like \"anarchy... that I run\"

January 12, 2009
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I think he was saying how he can't be pushed anymore.  It makes sense to me because that's my life in a sense too.

Think about every kid who gets picked on for being fat, short, ugly,stupid,too skinny, too tall, too pretty, to cheesy(so hammer), or to smart(Dr. Horrible) they get picked on everyday.  Sooner or later they are going to find an outlet for revenge take school shootings in example.  Sooner or later they will fight back and stand up to the thing that bangs them around.

As far as the anarchy that I run I don't think he meant that he ran but that he created it.  He couldn't ryme \"Anachary that I created\" wouldn't of flowed nicely that's all.

I am The Green Dragon I leave no trail behind. I go about my evil deeds without stressing my mind. No one has ever caught up to me as they say. Then again people fear me more and more each day.
August 18, 2009
12:30 am
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I agree with the idea that the nail doesn't actually break from being hit by the hammer. It goes through and tears a hole in wood; which I've taken to be the rioting society.

December 2, 2009
7:09 pm
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I always thought he was saying, "Hammer me, nail!" which I took as him mocking hammer (A nail can't hammer anything). "Hammer meet nail!" makes more sense, as I take he's saying that Hammer's finally meeting the person he's pushed around, as a hammer always hammers nails. It took me about 3 or 4 times of listening to Slipping to realize my mistake. haa...

June 18, 2011
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I know this topic hasn't been posted on for almost a year and a half, but in-case anybody is directed back here, one final point.

No offence intended to Neil, but:

"The hammer is my p*nis."

Neil gives the idea he's the nail.

Therefore: Hammer (Cpt Hammer's P*nis) meets Nail (Neil).

Assumptions: Neil is gay.

In conclusion; Neil wants to have s*x with Capt Hammer.

AGAIN, no offence intended, just a comment I saw on a Youtube video, it may also mean:

"You brought my so much pain, now I'm going to crucify your p*nis."

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