Non Windows/Mac users get pwned | Viewing & International Issues | Forum

Avatar

Please consider registering
guest

sp_LogInOut Log In sp_MemberList Members

Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —




— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

sp_Feed Topic RSS sp_TopicIcon
Non Windows/Mac users get pwned
July 23, 2008
5:40 am
Avatar
Capt.Hammer Groupie
Forum Posts: 4
Member Since:
July 22, 2008
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I'm aware that I'm only among aproximately 0.00000001% of the population in being a Linux user, and it's understandable that no one would really give a rats ass about such a small segment of the populace...

But it *is* really frustrating that I can't purchase the Dr. Horrible merely because the distribution method chosen (iTunes) isn't available on the platform I use.  Surely a web-based solution that anyone with a web browser could use would be sufficient?

I really want to support this and throw my money at it, but I am quite literally unable to.

I suppose I can just wait for the DVD's to come out, but I'd really rather just pay for a download (I'm not big on physical DVD's...)

July 23, 2008
5:51 am
Avatar
Admin
Forum Posts: 222
Member Since:
March 21, 2008
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I understand your frustration, but I can also see a bunch of reasons it would have made sense for them to use iTunes….

Like the fact that it's already the most popular form of distribution, having it there has actually made more people aware of Dr H's existence… it already built for the purpose of distribution of video via download and has all the necessary stuff in place for payment etc AND perhaps most importantly, can handle the traffic load - we know that fans broke several websites when they all clamoured to watch the video for free, and the speed at which it reached #1 on iTunes would indicate that a LOT of people hit the iTunes servers in a short period of time… and it would seem that it handled the traffic well, another system may not have….

It's impossible to please everybody - and the vast majorty (as indicated by being #1 on iTunes - have to make a lot of people happy to get that kind of result) seem to be ok with iTunes.  Some people will always slip through the cracks because they chose to use a less mainstream system - but for them all I can say is … the DVD is coming   if you're not a fan of either DVDs or mainstream operating systems, then you have to admit that it's your own choice that is limiting your options.

Of course, I'm just expressing own opinion and I don't actually know the real reasons iTunes was chosen for distribution, but I do trust that they put a lot of thought into it before going ahead - these ar people that KNOW how important the fans are - that's why they did all this in the first place.

July 23, 2008
6:37 am
Avatar
Capt.Hammer Groupie
Forum Posts: 4
Member Since:
July 22, 2008
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Well, yes, as I expounded at the very beginning: I'm aware that I'm in a small minority, and I understand that it makes sense to disregard such a small segment of the population.

And yes, I'm fully aware that it is my own choices that are limiting me.  I never claimed otherwise.  And I am definitely *not* saying that I am somehow entitled to be catered to.  I was just expressing my frustrations, and wondering if there was a viable platform-agnostic way to do things.

(Incidentally, server load could easily be dealt with by embracing bittorrent as a distribution method.  That's what it was designed for, after all.)

Even aside from purchasing, though, I really do want to support independent projects like this with my money.  I wonder if there is a way that I could simply donate...

July 23, 2008
12:29 pm
Avatar
Capt.Hammer Groupie
Forum Posts: 12
Member Since:
July 19, 2008
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I too use linux and share your misery.

It is possible, with varying degrees of success, to run iTunes under wine.  I was able to install and run iTunes on my system, and (after several failed efforts), purchase and download Act II.  Unfortunately, the videos are DRM-protected quicktime files and can only be watched on iTunes (or on things like video iPods, etc), and that ain't working.  So while I have bought and paid for Act II, I cannot actually watch it.  At least I was able to kick a small amount of coin over to Joss and company.

July 24, 2008
8:33 am
Avatar
Capt.Hammer Groupie
Forum Posts: 5
Member Since:
July 22, 2008
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

One option would be to donate the money it would normally cost you to purchase this and to simply download the videos through non-authorized means (that is, pirate them, though it's not really pirating if you donate an equivilent amount of money to payment, I suppose).  I'm fairly certain you can find a Linux compatible bittorrent client and avi/divx capable player. 

I wouldn't reccomend this on a large scale, but it could be a viable work-around for the minority of linux users.  I'm a mac guy myself, but we *nix-based system users gotta stick together.

July 24, 2008
10:18 am
Avatar
Capt.Hammer Groupie
Forum Posts: 4
Member Since:
July 22, 2008
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Iluvatar:

That thought had occured to me as well.  And of course there are plenty of bittorrent clients available for Linux.

Honestly, I'm happy to donate several time more than the episodes cost to download.  I really do want to support this.  However, I cannot find any way to donate.

AlanD: the episodes are DRM'd?  That makes the donate/torrent solution even more attractive.  I wonder when producers will begin to understand that DRM just makes things a hassle for legit users, and isn't even a drop in the bucket to stopping piracy...

July 24, 2008
10:24 pm
Avatar
Oxford, Mississippi
Member of the ELE
Forum Posts: 189
Member Since:
July 3, 2008
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

iTunes/Apple is the one who makes purchased items DRM. If you sell media on iTunes, it's DRM. No ifs, ands or buts regardless of what the creators want. That's a stipulation of using the iTunes service.

'Torrent has its own issues with some services (especially several businesses and organizations) detecting and closing connections resembling it. At least one ISP was caught doing that already (and we should know that choices in ISP is often based on location).

Given the skyrocket popularity on iTunes, I would daresay that the majority is willing to put up with DRM rather than not.

The gamut determines the acceptible range of conditions. It's Genius' Awesome Sauce in an 8oz. glass bottle with a cork stopper.
July 25, 2008
3:49 am
Avatar
Capt.Hammer Groupie
Forum Posts: 12
Member Since:
July 19, 2008
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I decided to try the torrent route, and grabbed what appeared to be the leading one.  It's a rip from the web version, and while the audio quality is decent enough, the image motion is pretty jerky, worse than what I remember on my system.

It will do for when I need an emergency fix, and I might transcode it down to something I can put on my phone, but I'm clearly going to have to wait to buy the DVD before I can start showcasing Dr H to friends and family (my brother has no computer, my best friend is on dial-up, and I know several people who only have notebooks with crap speakers -- so there is a whole world of people who have missed out on Dr H)

It might have made better financial sense for Joss to use a more open distribution model, as if nothing else his costs would have been lower if it were done in a more p2p friendly way.  Somebody figured that the Hulu bandwidth used was around 300,000 GB!  That can't be cheap.

But it's his dime.  Plus he wants to show the industry that this kind of thing can work financially, so I can understand him using a more conservative centrally controlled distribution scheme.  And also he wanted to make it a limited lifetime event, which again means controlled distribution.  

July 26, 2008
4:06 am
Avatar
Capt.Hammer Groupie
Forum Posts: 4
Member Since:
July 22, 2008
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

TheGamut: Ah.  Is the iTunes Plus thingy (the DRM free tracks) only for music, then?

My point regarding DRM wasn't that consumers would en mass boycott any content restricted by it.  Just that its presence makes downloading an illegal torrent even more attractive.  In a very real sense, by restricting something with DRM, it makes the pirated versions (sans-DRM) a better product.

Regarding torrent throttling: while what you say is true, it's also a sort of catch-22 situation.  Potentially legit uses of Bittorrent don't want to use it because of the throttling issues, but the lack of legit uses helps to legitimize the throttling.  And thus a very clever and extremely useful way to distribute massive bandwidth loads continues to go unused by the people that could benefit from it most: independent projects that can't handle massive bandwidth loads.

Forum Timezone: UTC -8

Most Users Ever Online: 10

Currently Online:

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 667

Members: 1805

Moderators: 2

Admins: 1

Forum Stats:

Groups: 1

Forums: 9

Topics: 482

Posts: 3668

Newest Members:

Administrators: Admin: 222