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July 20, 2008
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Who knows what they will come up with, but I don\'t see that it hurts to come up with future episode ideas.

The obvious one is that Dr. Horrible clones Penny.

Also, since he may need a new hero to combat him, may I suggest Captain Awesome....

July 20, 2008
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I thought about Dr. Horrible bringing Penny back, but doing it with some sort of Time machine device that he would invent.

Then, I think it would be a good idea if he went back to a time in Penny’s darker history she alluded to in ACT II in an effort to hopefully meet a Penny who might be more agreeable with the way he sees the world. A Penny who would team up with him.

Just a thought. Be FUN.

Who’s Captain Awesome?

ETA: And if he is your invention then what would he be like and bigger questions WHO would you get to play him??

July 20, 2008
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Thinking about a continuation makes me kind of sad right now.

But I would love to see flashback stories about previous battles between Captain Hamer and Dr Horrible, and the first times Billy saw Penny and how he became in love with her.
But maybe in comics rather than real acted episodes.

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July 20, 2008
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serenity1222 said:

...but doing it with some sort of Time machine device that he would invent.


Time travel is always a bad literary device. It quickly becomes a quagmire of '...but why not alter this tooooo'. The only time I've ever seen it done well (outside of H.G. Wells which was about a Time Machine) was when it was discussed in various Heinlein novels (and the concept of various 'fictions' came up from alterations on time lines).

It's just a really bad thing. If you use the Deus Ex Machina of time travel to change/alter one thing...why not everything else that's been an issue?

One last thought on time travel and it's problems. It was also used in the Harry Potter novels, and a friend of mine and I discussed it (and the whole 'time travel is always a bad idea for a writer to use etc)...and we were wondering how she was going to dig herself out of it. After all, why couldn't they use them to ...yanno..,go save Harry's freakin' parents?! Ignore Hermoine's dire warnings of Really Bad Things Happen when they're used/misused (after all she's using it to take more classes, hello!).

We concluded that Rowling cheated. She simply had all the time turners (the device used to time travel) mysteriously destroyed at the Ministry of Magic. And the only use of time travel was for the plot device in that book on that specific issue. No use/mention before or after. /shrug

But anyhoo...bad idea. 🙂 IMO anyway.

July 21, 2008
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Time Machines and time travel in general is a bad idea. Off topic, but to reply to the ideas in HP3, of course it was a plot device and one she had to get rid of by HP5, however, I think the idea that magic has to have some basic rules (which Rowling covers in HP7) is simply basic physics; otherwise, Voldemort could have simply used time travel to kill James or Lilly. It becomes an never ending circle.

That is why I proposed cloning. I agree that flashbacks could work as well, but then that means you accept that Dr. Horrible is now essentially pure evil as whatever chance he had of any redemptive qualities likely died with Penny.

July 21, 2008
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Who’s Captain Awesome?


He\'s a supporting character in the TV show, Chuck. You can Google him for more specifics, but he\'s basically a too good to be true (handsome, kind, doctor, etc.) boyfriend to Chuck\'s sister who is fond of the phrase \"awesome.\"

July 21, 2008
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I like the idea and not just because it\'s my own. I think you guys are really over thinking when you add in why not change this or that. The point is Dr. Horrible invented a device to freeze time, why wouldn\'t he be able then to invent a device to go back in time. It goes with the plot AND it provides a great tool to see Penny alive again as Penny and not a version of her. Clones to me are a bad plot device in that it seems like its totally cheating. Why would we want to see a synthetic version of Penny and not the real Penny? AND if you are going the clone route then how would that even be a device to possibly change the inevitable outcome that she and Dr. Horrible could never see eye to eye??? Might as well build a robot Penny that can be programed to his likeing then a clone. Just sayin.

I thought you met Captain Awesome from Chuck. I love that show!! I just didn\'t pick him out as a super hero. He\'s so \"huggy\". I\'d picture him fighting Dr. Horrible by trying to have a heart to heart discussion and hug things out. LOL. And perhaps giving him a lesson on how to dress for success.

July 21, 2008
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Time travel wouldn't work in something like this, because you'd get people thinking to hard, with all these \"what ifs\" and things.

Also, then the Butterfly Effect would play a major part in the tale, and that really would just complicate everything.

(you couldn't have a time machine and go back in time without drawing major attention to the Butterfly Effect.)

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July 21, 2008
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Okay, I can see Im out numbered then. Still I would love to hear other ideas. What would you guys do in additional episodes. What would your plot ideas be then if not time travel. If it\'s cloning then make me understand why that would be a good idea and so on.

July 21, 2008
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In all honesty, I'd choose cloning for a couple of reasons, the main one being it doesn't really defy any laws of physics or space and time.

You can clone people and get into many a conundrum, without ripping a hole in the space time continum. hehe.

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July 21, 2008
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Why would it be necessary for a clone or otherwise? If we have a character called Hourglass who apparently can see the future, why not one that can resurrect the dead? Or Penny herself could be self-regenerating...a hero in her own right. Whether she took up the cause against Dr. Horrible, converted him, or even chose to be with him because she had her own darkness inside (and her song about herself suggested she did, at least to me), I think it could be interesting. Then there’s the pun element…turning up like a bad penny? She might never have been good in the first place in the ‘good guy vs. bad guy’ sense. As pure as she might have seemed, there was more to her than one dimension, just as with Dr. Horrible. The tug of war could be delightful between her trying to convert him and him trying to convert her…or merely the tension when they meet as enemies, her thwarting him, and so forth. It could work, it could be poignant or sweet or whatever, but it need not involve time travel or cloning. When in doubt, go with the simplest answer? At least…it’s simple to me.

Thanks for reading.

Sincerely,

Hope

July 22, 2008
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What Hope said has me thinking.  In Act I, when Billy gives his \"The fish rots from the head\" speech, Penny says she's all for fundamental change.  A new slew of episodes could entail her return from the dead, her helping Horrible to purge the kind of evil that he is at the end, and joining with him to fight for the kind of change he was for at the beginning.

July 22, 2008
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Hope, I LIKE it! Very good idea. I just really think the story should not go on without Penny. I think it needs her. It feels like her side of it was not even close to being done, and we all know that Joss is just as infamous for bringing back the dead as he is for tragic endings. It\'s one of the things that helps me accept the tragic parts!

Plus, NPH and Felcia Day just sing so well together. Im not ready to give that up yet either.

Also, I\'d love to see a drastic change in Captain Hammer. What will he be like now that his \"Bully\" bluff has been called. Will he be the egotistical pompus hiney he was before or will he be completely deflated? I don\'t think his story is done yet either.

July 22, 2008
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Hope said:

Why would it be necessary for a clone or otherwise? If we have a character called Hourglass who apparently can see the future, why not one that can resurrect the dead?


As prev noted, cloning is clean and simple. If DH can only get his freeze ray to work for a short period of time (see Act III), he likely couldn\'t do something more complicated like a genuine time machine. We also know cloning is possible.

However, after sleeping on it, I think it would be amusing to have Dr. Horrible create a time machine, but it sends him back to the wrong time frame; say to his own past, well before he meets Penny, or to some early period when he meets Captain Hammer for the first time and we find out the reasons for their antipathy.

To answer your specific question, is one thing to see a possible future; is another to change your past. Back to the Future, Stargate SG-1, Star Trek, Dr. Who, etc., have all addressed the problems (scientific and otherwise) with time travel and messing up with the existing time line, including messing up with your own personal time line.

July 22, 2008
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The problem I see with cloning is that the clone is not going to BE the person that Penny is. It won’t have the same life experiences, personality, possibly even “soul” that the original had. The Original Penny returning is ideal, because she has depth, character, etc. A clone needing to be educated, molded, and so forth seems little more than bringing in a fembot type of character who is little more than what she’s programmed to be.

Penny speaks of even in the darkness every color can be found. Why not copper penny red? She talks of drops of rain being necessary to sow seeds underground (into every life a little rain must fall). These are hints, at least to me, that there is more to her than meets the eye, and she can understand that sometimes bad things happen for a reason. Even Dr. Horrible may be a necessary ‘evil’ to create change, sow seeds, and so forth. (And this is one reason I do think that Dr. Horrible and Penny could truly could work as a couple.) She may be idealistic in many ways, but she is also seems to be a realist that can understand that without evil sometimes there is no such thing as good? While this is somewhat rambling, the point is THIS Penny, the one that died, is the one that has all these layers. This is the Penny that should be returning, whether she is a super hero herself (regeneration) or was evil from the beginning (she didn’t really die, she has the power of illusion and the whole thing was a plan to push Dr. Horrible fully into his ‘own’ so to speak and she’ll join him later in his cause), or really whatever twist you want to imagine is put on the story.

Time travel as an option and changing the past doesn’t address the changes that Penny went through right up until the “end” in realizing perhaps that Captain Hammer was a jerk and that Billy was, for all his quirks, the true “good guy”. He may have believed he was evil, but he never really hurt anyone, had moral standards, and he even hesitated to shoot Captain Hammer when the freeze ray wore off. He had moments. He might not have been able to do it. Switching roles and having Captain Hammer end up being the true evil and Dr. Horrible saving the day time and time again could work, even if they appear to be on the opposite sides (Hammer supposedly good/Dr. Horrible supposedly evil).

That was a bit long and rambled a bit but thanks for reading.

Sincerely,

Hope

July 22, 2008
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Sadly, I think that Penny is a \"dead\" issue. Just because Buffy came back from the dead twice doesn't mean Penny should. lol.

But I bet there could be a cool Evil League of Evil story that involves Dr Horrible defeating the rest of league and leading the villains of the world in new directions and in the process recovering his heart and emotions.

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July 22, 2008
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Someone is outsmarting the Evil League of Evil, but not a hero. Some unknown villain is beating them to the punch, stealing their stuff and such. Who could it be?

(I vote for one the ELE to be this extra villain but one from the future, thereby being innocent of it all in the present with the future one knowing how everything went down. It would become a question of “can the future be changed” as well as “do we betray one of our own for a possible future, a path that leads to an uneasy road for all of them”.)

Of course, now that I've said it, they won't do it. (It was too cliché anyway[s].)

Then again, it might be a good twist to let the heists and crimes play out (unable to change a future that's already happened) to find that the future ELE member had a good reason that benefitted the whole ELE in the end, but that doesn't sound like evil to me. If fact, I'd kick whoever was doing that out just for not being selfish enough to be evil.

Then again, again, the member might have done it for their own benefit in that the ELE provides the muscle behind their plans therefor it's a mutual benefit for their own benefit… in which case I'd still kick them out for being weak.

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July 22, 2008
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Hope said:

It won’t have the same life experiences, personality, possibly even “soul” that the original had.


I\'m not talking about a robotic type android, like the Buffy \"doll\" (for want of a better descriptor); I\'m talking about a true clone. Something like Sean Young\'s role in Blade Runner - and, I think your point about a soul is valid, but I doubt Billy really knows Penny\'s what Penny\'s soul is like and DH certainly wouldn\'t.

A clone also works with the idea that DH has become evil, ends up possibly competing for head of the ELE, and otherwise achieves the world domination part of his plans. As a sideline, he would clone Penny and then want to give her the keys to Australia. She can accept and create her own version of utopia that might not coincide with Dr. H\'s; besides, its a good way for Josh and Co to get a free trip to Australia and some of those filming tax credit dollars!

July 22, 2008
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That character in Blade Runner had false memories placed into her mind. Now, it is possible one could somehow gain Penny\'s memories and transplant them (superhero powers or whatnot), but would it not be simpler to have Penny be either resurrected (or a quest forged to bring her back in some way on Dr. Horrible\'s part) or to have her either never have died in the first place but it was an illusion to push Dr. Horrible into the ELE, or to have her have died but that she can resurrect on her own due to her own powers?

A clone by nature of its being a copy of the flesh rather than the mind and memories, would not be Penny in any way other than perhaps appearance and name. It wouldn\'t be the girl that Dr. Horrible knew. At least, that\'s how I see it. Of course with superpowers anything is possible?

Sincerely,

Hope

July 22, 2008
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I like the idea of a time machine sending him to a wrong time, but I think it would be interesting to send him back to a wrong era, like a Revolutionary War period America.  He could try to overtake the United States and impliment a better system in the first place.  It could fail in some interesting, enlightening way, and then Thomas Jefferson could kill Dr. Horrible, and then steal his technology to prolong his life...

Okay, maybe not.  Unless Joss has something planned from the beginning so it works smoothly and doesn't feel tacked on like sequels can, I don't really want a sequel.

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