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July 22, 2008
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While I would normally agree that a time machine (or time 'travel') is a bad idea because of all the issues it raises, considering that no matter what Dr. Horrible does he going to screw it up slightly anyway it could have a lot of potential.

July 22, 2008
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What if instead of a time machine he just rewinded time back to the beginning of act one and he has to try to win Penny back knowing exactly where everything is heading and trying to prevent things from ending the same. 

July 23, 2008
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THERE MUST BE MORE EPISODES!!!!!
PLEASE GOD PLEASE!!!!!!!
MUUUUSSSSTTTT BBBEEEEEE MOOOORRREEEEE!!!!!!!

July 23, 2008
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I think some of these things can be addressed with some on line comics and even some video comics. The Colbert Report has done a great job with the Tag Jensen/Alpha Squad 7 Adventures that are reasonably fully animated and short; something like that would work well with DH. NPH has a lot of voice experience and the rest of the cast (or new additions) should do well.

Even the 2D non-animated comics they\'ve done on the Daily Show of The Decider that something like that can easily work or even a combination of the two.

July 24, 2008
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It seems to me, that aside from the fact that people presumed Penny to be dead and the news declared her to be dead, in true comic book fashion, we don\'t really know it. The simplest way around this is to say that she fainted from the blood loss/ shock and when she was put in the ambulance/ coroner\'s wagon, they realized she was still alive, but barely. After which she\'s in a coma and in some sort of witness protection to protect her from Dr Horrible. The story that she\'s dead is just a measure to protect her.

No need for comic book science when a standard TV-soap trick will do.

July 24, 2008
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Very true Knut! I like that too!!! Great idea.

Sincerely,

Hope

July 24, 2008
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KnutRKnutsen said:

It seems to me, that aside from the fact that people presumed Penny to be dead and the news declared her to be dead, in true comic book fashion, we don’t really know it. The simplest way around this is to say that she fainted from the blood loss/ shock and when she was put in the ambulance/ coroner’s wagon, they realized she was still alive, but barely. After which she’s in a coma and in some sort of witness protection to protect her from Dr Horrible. The story that she’s dead is just a measure to protect her.

No need for comic book science when a standard TV-soap trick will do.


This one occurred to me too. After all, she did get noticeably taken away by paramedics. Er, not that I expected them to leave a dead body there, but, generally, judging from TV shows and news reports, dead bodies are usually respectfully covered at the scene -- she's simply wheeled away. No one even checks her pulse. Nor did we get anything more conclusive about her death other than newspaper reports. No glimpse of a tombstone or funeral. None of this means she isn't dead -- likely it was just framed in a way that was visually interesting and powerful (because a) it is, and b) in musicals in particular that's generally far more important than presenting mundane details) , but it does mean the door's open a crack for her to be still alive without it being too much of a stretch.

Besides, in some other threads, people have pointed out Snow White references connected to Penny, mostly her costume at the end of Act II, but a few other one as well. And what happened to Snow White?

She ended up asleep in a glass coffin.

July 24, 2008
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doom_singer@yahoo.co said:

THERE MUST BE MORE EPISODES!!!!!
PLEASE GOD PLEASE!!!!!!!
MUUUUSSSSTTTT BBBEEEEEE MOOOORRREEEEE!!!!!!!


I have read all the interesting discussion here and have come to the conclusion that doom singer makes the most sense. I beleive a very large petition with a very simple Dickensesque line at the top reading \"More Please\" with about 10,000,000 names signed under it is in order. Respectfully submitted to the Whedon clan. If that doesn\'t work then we can beg God, wear sackcloth and beat ourselves with switches until the Whedons capitulate.

July 25, 2008
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I've been thinking: Mr. Whedon (the Joss one) has said repeatedly that he likes to do things people won't expect.

People expect a return of Penny. Mr. Whedon has already done cloning (in Alien 4).

I think we can be sure she's laid to rest for good.

That's not even mentioning that Dr. H no longer cares; no longer feels, and he's the one in control now, not Billy. I doubt Dr. H would ever clone Penny. In fact, I think Dr. H would avoid remembering Penny lest the Billy personality regain control and put a damper on everything Dr. H is capable of accomplishing now without the interference of shame or the fear of failure that was part of Billy.

Then again, Mr. Whedon might just go against all that unexpectedly (though I haven't seen anything that says he'd do something against the grain of an established character just yet -- or he might decide to go ahead and do that unexpectedly).

The gamut determines the acceptible range of conditions. It's Genius' Awesome Sauce in an 8oz. glass bottle with a cork stopper.
July 25, 2008
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I don’t know that Billy/Dr. Horrible are actually split personalities in the way of one personality controlling the other. To me it seems as always that Dr. Horrible is the mask he wears to do his villainy, in order to have a “name for himself” and a gimmick. Now that his world’s gone to hell (with the loss of the girl of his dreams), he has pulled that mask on more solidly (as the goggles are donned) and inside he may be crying but Dr. Horrible the mask doesn’t show it. It’s as many of us deal with tragedy at times putting on a brave (or angry or whatever) face to keep from breaking down into tears. Diverting himself into the ELE, embracing his “victory” seems, to me, to be little more than a front. He even hides his eyes with that new mask of his, so if tears do fall, none will see them. I think he’s still the same Billy in there, just coping with the only mechanism he can fall back on…wearing the mask he created.

As for what is unexpected or expected, there’s always ways to put twists on things so that they aren’t quite what was expected. Buffy’s coming back wasn’t quite puppies and kittens at all, for example. Penny may not show back up until Dr. Horrible is so deep in mess that he can’t get out easily and make for interesting choices on his part. The Whedon family is exceptionally creative, and I’d trust them to pull something out of their hat that we could savor with enough of a twist on it that we didn’t expect it quite that way.

Just some thoughts, thanks for reading.

Sincerely,

Hope

PS. I most certainly want more episodes from this Jossiverse. I’ll stay tuned and hope there are more.

July 25, 2008
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Another possibility is just to hit the reset switch, like on South Park with Kenny.  That way Joss can kill Penny every episode!  Or maybe not.

A good geeky way might be to use the Many Worlds theory, which says that every possibilty is played it out in some alternate reality.   Dr H finds a way to jump into an alternate reality, find Penny, and jump back.  Or something.  It could even be accidental.  He's trying to improve the transmatter ray and ends up going transdimensional, and she's like all there, and he's like all \"wha\", and you end up with Hammer following him back to this reality and now you have two Hammers, and they can't stand each other and try to kill each other.  Or something.

That way, all the Sliders fans can yell at Joss for ripping off their show's ideas.

July 25, 2008
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I skimmed over a lot of ideas people had, and different problems with those ideas (cloning, time machine, etc.). Personally, I don't think Penny should physically come back into the series through any means; that cheapens the heartbrake and the meaning of the Dr. Horrible series (no matter what take you have on it). But, she could still be very alive, through plot.

My thoughts for a 'sequel' would actually be one that isn't a direct sequel off of Dr. Horrible. We have a new main character, someone who is very personable and heroic but still has their own quirks and qualities. They could strive for good, or not, but still the hero the same way Dr. Horrible is the hero for us. He becomes either rivals or outright enemies with Dr. Horrible (the new, red-cloaked ELE member), and strives to prevent him from building a time machine in which he can destroy the past and everything the present is built off of. Or at least that what the heroine and everyone else suspects. At the climax (or whenever: I'm not the writer), Dr. Horrible reveals that everything he has worked for is to reverse that fateful day in which Penny died. Then, a twist at the end, of any kind.

Now, this is just a plot shell, but I like it because not only does it let us get to know a new person in the Horrible universe and cheer them on, but it lets Dr. Horrible remain the same way that we have known him to be.

Having a new, unique 'hero' of the story lets the audience watch and enjoy without feeling like they have to go back to the original in order to understand what is happening; it is a good way to get more fans. It also side-steps the 'sequel' mindset of many people (where the sequel is always a lot worse than the original).

Dr. Horrible stays the same way we know him, though we are on the outside this time (and new fans might mistake him for a truly evil person). He can pull heists where he gathers the materials (where he doesn't have to kill anyone but is still extremely evil), and he still shows his humanity by caring deeply for one that he has lost instead of needing to turn into a monster. Plus, building rediculous machines that may or may not work is his forte.

It also let's Penny be involved in the plot without having to ressurect her through some rediculous means. Plus, bringing her back makes it a 'happy' ending, which kind of ruins the emotional impact of this miniseries.

Oh well, that's my 2 cents. Hope you enjoyed.

July 25, 2008
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Grandauron said:

My thoughts for a ’sequel’ would actually be one that isn’t a direct sequel off of Dr. Horrible. We have a new main character, someone who is very personable and heroic but still has their own quirks and qualities.


There are a lot of characters in the three Acts now, that we don’t really need any introductions. There’s all sorts of ways this can go:

1. Origin or back history for Doc H., Captain Hammer and how their rivalry began.
2. Origin of ELE (or backstory for the current or former villains — or both)

This allows for flash backs and fast forwards. It’s likely Penny wouldn’t be in any of this since Billy’s back story with her is decently explored in Act I, but another female would be warranted and hopefully a really strong female lead this time.

3. There are also the lesser, supporting characters that can be developed, like Moist or the PP. (or anyone else in the henchman\'s union) While they may not yet call for an origin or backstory segment, they certainly can be more fully developed.

July 25, 2008
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Sequel idea stolen from someone else:

Penny was not the innocent do-gooder we all thought she was. She was a plant, a super-powered seductress hired by Bad Horse to lure Dr. Horrible towards more viscious exploits. The love triangle between Captain Hammer, Penny and Dr. Horrible was all part of the plan…

And faking a death would be child's play for a villainess of Bad Penny's caliber

(This idea stolen from a fanfic author on another site:

http://www.tthfanfic.com/Story.....r+Evil.htm )

QUOTE: “Bad Penny,” neighed the Thoroughbred of Sin, “I knew you’d turn up.”

July 25, 2008
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I'm wanting a flashback. In \"Story of a Girl\" or whatever we are calling penny's second song, she's on about how lost and lonely she was, so obviously had some demons in her past. I think there's a story there of how, somehow, Horrible caused her suffering and pain, and how he first fell in love with her, knowing he caused her pain or not. I know it says they've never talked before, but I think that there must have been some sort of interaction between them before he fell in love, posssibly to make him fall in love, and it's not just her hair.

It could be interesting...IMO anyway.

July 26, 2008
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Steph said:

I\'m wanting a flashback. In “Story of a Girl” or whatever we are calling penny\'s second song, she\'s on about how lost and lonely she was, so obviously had some demons in her past. I think there\'s a story there of how, somehow, Horrible caused her suffering and pain, and how he first fell in love with her, knowing he caused her pain or not.


Well, technically, it appears Penny doesn\'t know Billy is DH, so she might have met DH and he caused her pain. But in that scene, Penny talks about a series of things -- and I think the impression we\'re left with is that in spite of these sets back and the loss of some promise and opportunity, Penny remains optimistic and hopeful because that\'s her essential nature.

I would like to see her character fleshed out more and I think a flashback would be a good way of doing so. However, I do think it we be more elaboration of what we already know or can intelligently surmise, as opposed to totally new info, like we might get about other characters or groups (henchman\'s union, evil league of evil).

July 26, 2008
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I posted earlier in the \"act 4\" forum...  Why are most people presuming Penny is dead?  You saw her take a critical would to the gut, and you saw her black out, then get carried off stage.  But wounds like that take a few minutes to really kill somebody. 

Granted, she wouldn't likely reach a hospital alive... but she was all of about 10 feet from a freeze-ray, which could stop her in the final moments of life.

July 27, 2008
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Eclexia said:

Why are most people presuming Penny is dead? You saw her take a critical would to the gut, and you saw her black out, then get carried off stage; But wounds like that take a few minutes to really kill somebody;


A. The newspaper stories wouldn\'t likely run \"What\'s her name killed\" unless it was factually accurate; and
B. The ELE wouldn\'t accept DH as a member without him \"committing\" a murder.

Also, I don\'t remember where, but either Felicia Day or JW stated somewhere, in an interview, that Penny was dead. Of course, that doesn\'t mean she won\'t be back, and that JW hasn\'t brought people back from the dead before, but I think its safe to say that if she comes back it will be:

flashbacks; cloning; time travel or something along those lines.

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It seems that all the people here coming up with convoluted ways for Penny to return, such as time-machines or clones, seem to be missing the obvious: Dr. Horrible is a mad scientist. That's what they do, bring people back from the dead...so why all the complicated ideas of time machines and clones?

That's almost a mandatory part of the symbology of the mad scientist, that they have some obsessive drive to discover the darkest secrets of the universe, to even reach into the fabric of mortality itself and ressurect the dead. I mean, think about Dr. Frankenstein, the classic mad scientist. That's his entire claim to fame, is the creature that resulted from his attempts to create life.

So really, I would rather see the traditional \"mad scientist\" way of going about it, him trying to reanimate her, not clone her, not go back in time, but reanimate her.

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