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No Please No. No Sequel or Prequel.
August 22, 2008
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Misters Whedon, et al. If you are reading this, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, do not even think about making a sequel or a prequel.

As a piece of dramatic art, Dr. Horrible is perfect. Trying to add anything to what is already there will only devalue what there is.

To all those asking for such things, what are you thinking? What's this obsession with needing to hear more of a story?Why can't you just enjoy it for what it is, let it have it's impact, accept it's impact, celebrate it's impact, and then move on?

The Penny character is the key to Dr. Horrible's innocence. She is his redemption. Her death equals the death of the good that was in Billy and completes his descent into the darkness that is Dr. Horrible. Billy dies with Penny all that is left is an abomination. In a sequel the Penny issue will have to be addressed.

Would Billy get over Penny? If so, that devaules her contribution to the original work. That he could get over her so easily detracts from the innocent quality she brought out in him. It's that struggle for his own innocence inside him that makes him so charming.

Would he not get over her? The red coated Dr. Horrible at the end is the empty shell, taking his place at the table with the worst of the worst. Exploiting the death of Penny as though it were an intentional part of his plan to impress his new master. Without the innocence, Dr. Horrible is a pretty unlikable guy. Again, making an anti-hero out of that monstrosity would devalue what he was in the original work.

If Billy is keeping her in a freeze ray chamber in his basement, does that mean he is metaphorically keeping his innocence in a freeze ray chamber in his basement? What the hell would that even mean? If that's what would be in store in a sequel, count me out of the audience.

The premise of the sequel must work with one of those scenarioes, there is no other option for more story unless it has nothing to do with Dr. Horrible, which would be alright, but if it's the case, saddling it with the Dr. Horrible name would just be a ploy to generate buzz for another project.

As the archetypal ingenue, the Penny character works because her past is a mystery. Learning more about the details of her past will strip away the veil of iinnocence that is vital to her character. So she can't really be the focus of a prequel.

If you want a prequel that only features Billy, go back and watch some Doogie Houser MD. I think it could fit canonically into the Dr. Horrible universe. It's about a kid genius, it's open ended enough. It even adds an element to Dr. Horrible (the story not the character) of being a warning of \"this is what happens to nerdy overachiever kids when they grow up\".

To me the story is absolutely perfect in what it is. I can watch it over and over again and shed a tear for Penny and the fate of Billy every time. I don't need to see more.

Oh yeah, and a huge thanks to everyone that had anything to do with the making of Dr. Horrible. I love it. I just love it so much I don't want to see it ruined by sequelmania.

August 22, 2008
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I don't know. I can see it working, but I can also see it failing spectacularly. I do not think the idea of a sequel about Dr. Horrible post-Penny, without reviving her but with him not having gotten over her, is at all inherently going to be bad. I'm not even sure your supposed answer to the idea of him not having gotten over her is actually an answer because it seems to make assumptions that don't follow. However, I have extreme doubts about the idea of Penny being revived in any way, Dr. Horrible without the human aspect just does not work, and there are a billion ways in which a sequel could otherwise go wrong. I'll just wait and see.

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August 22, 2008
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I don't know.

I've kind of been floating the same thoughts as you have over the past few days. It's perfect as it is. But yet I want so badly for there to be more story, if for no other reason than hearing more of the amazing NPH's gorgeous gorgeous voice. I agree that without that shy, awkward, geeky quality to Billy, which is pretty much dead by now -- the character just doesn't have the same charm.

Thing is, I generally find myself able to enjoy almost anything, even when people think otherwise. I think I would enjoy watching a sequel/prequel/whatever, even if it did kind of detract from the poignancy of the original story. I tend to be able to separate it in my mind on my own and enjoy things for what they are. So in that respect, I think I would enjoy having more Dr. Horrible forever and ever and ever.

As for the whole nerdy overachiever kids thing... heh.

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August 22, 2008
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Umm.... here's an idea....

If you think it's perfect as it is, don't watch the next installment that's created 🙂 then you can stay happy in what you think is perfect and those of us that would like more (and there are plenty of us for sure) will be happy to watch whatever else comes along - we can both be happy that way - easy peasy!

August 22, 2008
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Oh Ye of little faith.... this is Whedon you're doubting, shame on you. He really is a master of interwoven plots and fantastic character development, i say if he is keen to do any sequel/s as he has said he is then BRING IT/THEM ON!!! 😀

More the merrier i say. Absolutely Brilliant \"pilot\" for a series!  😉 *Wink wink nudge nudge*

September 3, 2008
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Yes please yes... as long as Penny doesn't come back or have a twin or something. I'd love to see something about how Bad Horse came to be the Thoroughbred of Sin... except, my imagination is now going places that Hollywood would not, could not, SHOULD not ever. 

September 21, 2008
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I can see both sides of the argument here... I can see it failing miserably, but I can also see it tying or even surpassing the genius of the original. It all depends... If it was about Billy battling his inner feelings about the ELE and Penny's death while still maintaining his evil façade, it could still keep his geeky, relatable lovability while still furthering the plot... I'm not sure if I want Penny to come back though... On the one hand, I love Felicia Day and her character, and the idea of Billy and Penny finally being together is simply too satisfying to resist, but I agree with the people who say it might take away the deep impact of the story. I don't know....

Then again, this IS Joss Whedon we're talking about. I trust him to make a worthy sequel or even trilogy, if the story is good. 

September 21, 2008
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I would love a sequel.

You make it sound as if those snags are inevitable. I mean, sure, a lot of your complaints are real possibilities, if it's not handled with the appropriate care. But that doesn't mean they're pre-destined to happen.

Yeah, the innocence of Billy is what drew us into the character, because it belied his intentions to be a supervillain. But that doesn't mean that him being less pure in a sequel would detract from what he was. He could still be a fundamentally good person deep down. I think to watch Dr. Horrible struggling to cope with this loss of innocence would be an incredibly human experience. To show this man, who is a \"monster\" to the rest of the world, in mourning for someone he loves, seeking absolution for his most horrible mistake, wouldn't make him less likeable. It would make him more likeable, to see that even the heart of a villain can bleed. To show that despite everything, he is still human.

Besides, as Laura said, he could still have that geeky, timid side to him. That part of him doesn't have to be erased just because he might be a little different when he returns.

As for Penny...I don't see why a sequel would have to devalue the impact of her death. Yes, I guess there is a danger of that, if done wrong...but if done right, a sequel would be able to build on that tragedy, making it all the more potent. Showing him in the process of mourning her would make her death all the more real to the audience. It would also give the chance to show him struggling to come to terms with it, trying to forgive the world and himself. Making absolution the driving force behind the story.

Of course, there's a pretty strong case to be made that an attempt to revive Penny would erase the impact her death had. This one I actually somewhat agree with. But I still think it's all about implementation. The success of ANY idea comes down to how it's implemented. There are surely ways that bringing her back could give MORE meaning to her death. I guess it depends on which one ends up serving the story better.

September 22, 2008
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Laura281
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Legendarylugi, you have explained it perfectly. Thank you.

September 22, 2008
7:28 am
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The one thing I do know is that in the world of superheoes noone ever stays dead forever.

I think Penny will return but with some cool superpowers.

September 22, 2008
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Heh. I just replied to another \"No more\" post. I said, \"What if these 3 acts weren't the whole story but, rather, the beginning... setting the stage for Dr. H's reign of fear... or his never-ending, tough trek out of Hell?\"

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September 25, 2008
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I myself have a few specific ideas of how bringing Penny back from the dead could enhance the significance of her death, rather than cheapen it.

September 26, 2008
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I agree that nothing positive could be done with the completely evil Dr. Horrible (with or without a resurrected Penny) and to try to follow up with this character would be a travesty.  Having said that, I look at the very last scene of the musical;  the doctor appears on his \"evil\" blog without any of his usual accoutrements of evil, with all of the confusion and vulnerability that makes him such an appealing villian.  THAT is a character I'd like to see explored more.

November 3, 2008
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I don't think sequels or prequiles devalue the original. If it sucks than i won't watch it but I will still keep watching the original. I think the writers could do an amazing job on a sequel. Go for it! Tons of people want to hear more!

(Not all sequels are less valueble than the original Ex. Toy Story 2, The Dark Night, Shrek 2)


December 18, 2008
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I think there has to be something more, 3 short episodes is not enough for what could be such a great story. There were so many hints to expansions and spin-offs, like extra characters and throwaway lines.

But to be honest, I don't want to know what happens after... especially if it involves Penny's resurrection in any way shape or form. She died, its part of his character, if she comes back, the whole point of the existing story will be lost.

I think the best thing to do at the moment are origin stories, like the Moist comic, except not in comics, and not of Moist. I really want to know where Dr Horrible came from, and this means we can see more of Penny! 

December 18, 2008
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i think that what should happen is penny resurected, but billy being so evil, and partly causing her death, cant stand to be near him. cpt. hammer, now a cry baby, sees penny and belives its a sign to start crime fighting. billy now equally awnsome, fights him but heres the catch, capt. hammer vs. BILLY AND BAD HORSES and bad horses cowboy friends who sing everysecond of the battle. best superhero fight ever. havent brainstormed pass that point though

December 19, 2008
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wow, the last post is going to be hard to follow, but here goes.  

Granted the first installment is a masterpiece.  But it's only natrual for us to want more of something that hit us as hard as this story does.   To say not to make anymore seems rather proud and against all we struggle for.   Like a bad break up,  One person wants for it all to be over, and the other wants it to keep going.   I believe that this is one of it's most defining aspects.   Let me clear I'm in the camp of wanting more, make no mistake!   Joss has time and agian shown us more then we'd have the right to expect.   So, penny or no penny, i think like comic books, or any store for that matter, stories can prove to continue on, just like we do, and like real life there are ups and downs, if there is a bad ep or two, then, love it or hate it, we will watch it.   Our lives dont just end when we get through our ordeals, there is always something that happens next in out lives.   And so too for Dr. Horrible, seeing him continue his story would make us identify with the story so much more.  That's why we have sequals in books and moives.  I've also learned from my own life that who we are isn't defined by only a single event in our lives, but it changes as we experince more.

I'd also like to state that.

Penny dead doesn't kill the good in Billy.  Death by one's one actions is profound and painfull, but we eventually move on.   Bringing her back to life has so many venues it could follow.   She could try and get back at Dr. Horrible, and within that struggle, Billy could fight her, all the while loving her.  Perhaps, She could see the evil ways as being justifiable and they could team up, tho unlikely.   Or perhaps she could try and save his soul.  Is it really that important he stay a bad guy? 

Penny staying dead does seem like a much easier way to send out the next stories to me tho.  Lets not forget in a time of heroes and villians, time travel may not be all that hard.  

I do wonder if making speculations on something like a next story may influecne a writer and thus change what the authors may already have plans.   One of the best parts of this show was it's unexpectedness.  How you didn't see a musical comming, and then ended up singing the songs to yourself at all hours.  Perhaps because we didn't know it was comming, or what to expect gave the authors a chance to put down what they wanted, not what we expected.  

i know it's unlikely but Mr. Whedon will read this, but please make more show's about the doc.

hope this made sense.  and thanks for your time!

December 19, 2008
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Does anyone know if there will be more?  i think i read an interview in a magazine that Mr Whedon said there would be no more.  But i hope this is not correct.  can anyone prove weather or not this is true?

December 19, 2008
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I think we're overlooking the significance of the Captain Hammer figure, his ignorance and his blindness... one of the fun things we got from the first one was that in effect, the \"good guy\" was a self-centered loser, and the \"bad guy\" was a misguided, well-meaning genius.

What if the sequel finds Dr. Horrible/Billy struggling with his new role as \"actually evil\" to the point where he decides that he made a horrible mistake... of course, plenty of Penny flash-backs... but he decides he made a horrible mistake and needs to set everything right - not just Penny, but she serves as the catalyst to help him realize that he actually isn't evil.

His pet project is to build a time machine (a modification of the freeze ray - just like his modification on the stun gun) so he can go back in time and prevent himself from defeating Captain Hammer... effectively, placing Dr. Horrible in the \"good guy\" role of trying to prevent evil from winning.

The fun obstacle could come from Captain Hammer - a little crazy and still as self-centered as ever, he decides to stop Dr. Horrible at all costs (completely oblivious to the fact that he is starting to embody the \"bad guy,\" evil figure).

I'm not sure how it could happen, but ultimately, a moral choice would have to come to Dr. Horrible... if he goes back in time and stops being evil, he won't be able to prevent whatever madness Captain Hammer has created... if he wants to save the world, he'll have to stay evil.

This takes it a little away from the romance, but intensifies the internal conflict faced by Billy.  Additional parallels could then be drawn to all the evil characters in turn - showing that, like Johnny Snow and Captain Hammer, the good guys are motivated by personal glory, and the evil characters are motivated by frustration, awareness, and altruism.

Seems a little bit of a stretch, but the questioning of traditional roles was one of the real magical components of the original.  That theme could be further explored without needing Penny to be \"alive.\"

December 21, 2008
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There should not be a sequel purely for sequel's sake in that I agree, but to suggest the sequel instantly devalues the original insinuates that all involved would instantly pursue a shameless cash grab. Let us remember one of the more important aspects of Dr. Horrible. This is a self produced project... the writers are also the studio. They get to do what they want and so far they've done an excellent job. 

I think that there are a lot of ways to deal with The Penny Situation. She should feature in some manner either as an actual participant in the sequel's plot or in flashback. I would love to see Dr. Horrible as an empty harbinger of evil until he comes up with a plan to reanimate Penny. That would allow Penny to return, Felicia Day would be able to portray the character differently and could lead us into an amazing Zombie Apocalypse.

I think that the fact that Billy brings Penny back to life should cause the turmoil. There could be a parallel to Mr. Freeze if he places her in some kind of stasis, maybe he clones her or fashions a Penny robot... As long as whatever he does amounts to him mistakenly causing destruction, inadvertently take over the ELE or once again defeating and embarrassing Captain Hammer further.

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