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4:32 am July 21, 2008
| earthwulf
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I know this has been commented on muchly, but ⦠I still canāt se myself watching/reading anything else from Joss for a while. Iāve been a fan since the first Buffy, the movie one, and have followed him ever since.
Iām not sure why, but everyting he does, while smart, sharp and funny, is tinged with tragedy. I canāt help but wonder if heād slated Buzz Lightyear to actaully be blown up in an early draft of āToy Storyā. Iām fine with the occasional tragedic happening, as life isnāt always rosy. But to have everything have some sort of major blow out sorrowful episode - well, I donāt want to always be thinking āWho is going to die? Which character has he made me care about will kick the bucket?ā
Possible spoilers allusions, for those who havenāt see/read Jossā stuffā¦
Buffy, Angel, Firefly/Serenity & the Astonishing X-Men - which of these stories did NOT feature a major character sacrifice? Really, is it too much to ask to have a happy ending for once? I know, I know itās not his style and I should look past it to embrace his brilliance (and heāās good, Iām not denying that), but my fanboi days are waning. Even āDollhouseā appears to be a series based in tragedy of a sort - the main characher will sort of die in every episode - at least the personality thatās been imprinted on the Dolls will no longer be in existance.
So, fo the time being, I bid the Whedonverse Adieu. No oneās gonna miss me, and i wonāt let the door hit me on the way out. I may peek in every once in a while to see how things are, and I wish Joss & his followers all the best.
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4:37 am July 21, 2008
| Brad Bethke
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4:40 am July 21, 2008
| earthwulf
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Heh, I was waiting for one of those responses :P. I’m only level one, so you can have all my n00b gear.
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4:48 am July 21, 2008
| Brad Bethke
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Heh! Fair enough, and here’s a non-snarky response…
Sorry to hear you’re getting Jossed-out, but that is the great thing about entertainment… there’s buttloads of it out there, and when the shine starts to fade from one form, there’s always another. I hope you do indeed find other things that you enjoy, and maybe after a time you’ll be ready to come back and check out whatever the latest JW project is. But either way, have fun doing it.
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7:45 am July 21, 2008
| eowyn
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Actually, I understand where you’re coming from. It does get frusterating. However, I would suggest the following: take a break from Whedon stuff. Watch something a little happier. But after a year or so, rewatch some of his stuff and you might find it a bit more enjoyable.
Case in point: I’m a huge… huge.. huge Steven King fan, but there was this point where I was nearly ready to highlight in my library book every time a) Spiders were evil b) the state of Maine was mentioned c) someone performed an excretory function in their pants out of fear (you think I kid… but look next time, it’s in every book). A I realized it was like hanging out with same friend every single day.
No matter who much you enjoy someone or something they have repetative quirks that get annoying. So: take a break. A long one. But don’t let that wreck what is really a great writer/show for you. Just remember writers are human too, and even the best have repetative ticks.
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8:12 am July 21, 2008
| serenity1222
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I’ve been where your at as far as not being able to accept the tragedy with the comedy. I think Joss’ curse, if he has one, is that he does both comedy and tragedy so incredibly well that he has a very real ability to make a viewer go from one complete end of that spectrum to the other and cause a huge emotional hang over that even real life can’t often match.
Rather than walk away I have become willing to take the good with the bad and learn to appreciate why the tradgedy part of the story is needed. I’ll watch the tradgedy the first time, and if I can stomach it well then I’ll rewatch it, if I can not, I wont watch it. (example, I fast forward the sad part of Serenity and skip to the next scene).
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8:39 am July 21, 2008
| pieceofgosa
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As much as I agree with earthwulfsā right to feel the way they do, I feel sorry for them that they canāt continue to appreciate that what Joss does is blur edges and lines (you must know that). Good/evil, comedy/tragedy, strength/weakness. All these nuances and contrasts, so subtley done, are what lifts Joss above most other writers out there. Bill Watterson, creator of the Calvin & Hobbes strips once said:
āIf life is just a stage, then we are all running around ad-libbing, with absolutely no clue what the plot is. Maybe thatās why we donāt know whether itās a comedy or tragedy.ā
That seemed apropos for Jossā work. Anyway good luck to ya āwulf, hope to see back at some point.
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9:23 am July 21, 2008
| CozZaretta
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When I first clicked on this link I expected another “I can’t believe Joss would kill off (insert character name here)! I’m never watching this again” rants that usually occur after a character death. I wasn’t going to comment, but was going to giggle a little at the ‘I’m going to hold my breath until I get what I want’ tone that usually saturates said rant.
However, what I found was an articulate and well thought out decision. Our tastes evolve over time and yours appear to be doing so. The fandom will be less for the loss of someone willing to rationally explain their viewpoint and not just flying off the handle. I hope you find what your looking for in other fandoms, and perhaps you will someday find yourself looking for a little tragedy. We’ll be here to welcome you back if you do.
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9:29 am July 21, 2008
| pieceofgosa
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CozZaretta said:
When I first clicked on this link I expected another āI canāt believe Joss would kill off (insert character name here)! Iām never watching this againā rants that usually occur after a character death. I wasnāt going to comment, but was going to giggle a little at the āIām going to hold my breath until I get what I wantā tone that usually saturates said rant.
However, what I found was an articulate and well thought out decision. Our tastes evolve over time and yours appear to be doing so. The fandom will be less for the loss of someone willing to rationally explain their viewpoint and not just flying off the handle. I hope you find what your looking for in other fandoms, and perhaps you will someday find yourself looking for a little tragedy. Weāll be here to welcome you back if you do.
Well said Sir.
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12:18 am July 22, 2008
| earthwulf
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Thanks for the kind words, y’all… and you’re right. I should definately take a break. But I can’t seem to, damnit. Ah don’t know how ta quit Joss.
Well, in a purely, ya know, fan sort of way.
Really.
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3:02 am July 22, 2008
| pieceofgosa
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You can’t escape ‘wulf. Admit it life will be easier in the long run
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8:25 am July 24, 2008
| hera2511
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earthwulf said:
I’m not sure why, but everyting he does, while smart, sharp and funny, is tinged with tragedy. I can’t help but wonder if he’d slated Buzz Lightyear to actaully be blown up in an early draft of “Toy Story”. I’m fine with the occasional tragedic happening, as life isn’t always rosy. But to have everything have some sort of major blow out sorrowful episode - well, I don’t want to always be thinking “Who is going to die? Which character has he made me care about will kick the bucket?”
I empathise — some times I'm not strong enough. You know those days where the zeitqeist of the planet is a little too dark all on it's own without any help from Mr. Whedon (although the funny is what delights me over and over…and over).
I'm still stalled in S6 of Buffy because of the Tara's truncated arc…well you know. And I love the show!
I can always pick it up at some future point. Give me something to look forward to: unwatched Whedon.
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2:18 am July 25, 2008
| SanJuran
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