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Penny Saves the Day Ending

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5:34 am
July 21, 2008


Sutures

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Seattle, WA

posts 2

This person has a much better ending …


http://bellatrys.livejournal.com/388725.html


Using my superpowers of Retroactive Amnesia, I will remember this one from now on.


Ellen

5:38 am
July 21, 2008


earthwulf

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posts 5

/agree.

Or Penny is actually Bait n’ Switch, whichever.

7:29 am
July 21, 2008


empimp

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posts 3


Sutures said:

This person has a much better ending …


http://bellatrys.livejournal.com/388725.html


Using my superpowers of Retroactive Amnesia, I will remember this one from now on.


Ellen


I totally agree!

Isn't Josh & gang going to put out a DVD with extra's?  Wouldn't it be awesome if there was the “original ending” and the “alt ending” and they implemented bellatrys' version as the alt ending! Wink 

Such a solution still provides the storyline consistent solution that neither Horrible or Hammer end up with Penny and frankly is much more fateful about it because not only do they not end up with her, but she's constantly in their face reminding them of their respective inadequacies.

Plus, doing an alt ending gives J&G the oppurtunity to ramp up the quality of the last act.  (I really didn't like the demise of Penny, but I was already irritated with act III by that point.  I found the quality of the storyline, the acting, or the music of act III was nowhere close to the quality of acts I & II)

12:43 am
July 22, 2008


patronise

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Australia

posts 7

No.
Though it is a testament to the power of the work that this person is going through the 'denial' stage of loss. In works of entertainment and - more importantly - real life we loose people we love and care about. But to make up a new ending  is to deny the truth. You can't cope with loss by pretending something else happened - you need to accept it, terrible as it is.

2:56 am
July 22, 2008


pieceofgosa

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Dundee

posts 43

New endings, tsway-niou. The ending was da bianhua IMO. Let Penny rest in peace.

11:01 pm
July 22, 2008


Mr. Furious

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Minnesota

posts 14

Absolutely not!  The “Penny Saves the day ending” would have totally missed the point and would have been at best a cop-out.


In many ways Penny is Billy's mirror.  Based on her songs she was in Billy's place at one time but instead of withdrawing and choosing a darker path, she opts to take action in another way.  She is what Billy might have been (and before the ending could be) had he made other choices.  Without Penny's death, we can't see the result of Billy's choices.  An ending that fails to climax without payment for “evil” is one that denies ones own humanity. 


As much as it might pain the viewers to see Penny's death and the tragedy that befalls Billy, it is the eventual and necessary outcome of his choices.  I've posted in another thread that Penny doesn't die alone on that floor; Billy dies with her.  Dr. Horrible is more nuanced than traditional super villians in comic books.  His back story actually speaks to a lot of viewers who may have had their own painful dealings with others.  We cheer on Billy because he reminds us of us.  Captain Hammer is the jock many geeks/nerds/introverts knew in school who is a jerk but always gets the girls whereas Billy is us.


However, where many of you have chosen a life which ultimately enriches others, Billy chooses to become Dr. Horrible.  He embraces “evil” in the misguided belief that he can affect social change that will ultimately end his suffering.  Sadly, he is correct in that assumption but for the wrong reason.  In his quest, he kills “Billy”; the part that was suffering.  Billy was the part that had all the emotion and the humanity.  In his death, Billy took with him everything leaving numbness and emptiness.  Trying to “happy this up”, you miss the point of the story and the lesson about choices.  No matter how you spin it, any other outcome fails to recognize the finality of poor decisions.

1:30 am
July 24, 2008


kazoo

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In response to Mr. Furious (and as a random observation, as such):

Billy, imho, is not truly dead (how could he be… he provides the “last word”).  However, as his alter-ego, Dr. Horrible has been so close to Billy's own character throughout the three parts, prior to the death of Penny, that there really has been little difference; they were, essentially, the same person, but with Dr. Horrible deriving enough confidence from his villain costume to actually do something about his goals and desires.  The expected/unexpected death of Penny does not kill Billy inasmuch as it creates a difference in the ego/alterego that can no longer allow for mutual coexistence.  Billy's anger, angst, grief, etc., become nearly mute and (certainly) impotent.  Dr. Horrible's anger becomes motive.  Each had in many respects, prior to her death, spoken for the other:  Billy's unfulfilled naivete fulfilled by Dr. Horrible's lofty pretenses of egomaniacal aspiration and Dr. Horrible grounded in Billy's very real humanity.  By the end (of a beautiful but devastating story arc), they are no longer connected.

2:35 am
July 24, 2008


Mr. Furious

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Minnesota

posts 14

The “death” of the Billy portion of his character does not imply that there cannot be some fiery resurrection.  It simply means that “Billy” as we know him has ceased to exist (hence the numbness).  Could there be some future where he becomes an average person again?  Unlikely, but Sci-Fi/Fantasy has always left room for wiggling.  After all, Spock's katra was saved and his body resurrected.  Why not Billy?

9:13 am
July 24, 2008


dannycolt

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Sweden

posts 9

I, for one, loved the ending just as it was.

BUT I would like to point out how cool and amazing I think it is that Dr Horrible is allready inspiring people to write their own fanfic and cosplay. Talk about instant fandom!

So now it´s time to take it to the next level: who will be the first to write some Dr Horrible SLASH fanfic?

Does anyone dare pick up that gauntlet? Laughing

5:17 pm
July 29, 2008


empimp

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empimp said:

Such a solution still provides the storyline consistent solution that neither Horrible or Hammer end up with Penny and frankly is much more fateful about it because not only do they not end up with her, but she's constantly in their face reminding them of their respective inadequacies.


I stand by my belief that having Penny live and become the true hero, abandoning both Hammer and Horrible not only doesn't miss the point, but makes the 'good vs evil' point with spot on precision that the original ending doesn't.

And ignoring the whole 'Penny dies plot' and after several subsequent reviews, I still don't think Act III has the overall quality that Acts I & II have.  Act III was not only a plot disappointment, but a quality disappointment also.  As a result, I won't be sharing any of it with friends.

6:36 pm
July 29, 2008


Dr. Science

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empimp said:

empimp said:


Such a solution still provides the storyline consistent solution that neither Horrible or Hammer end up with Penny and frankly is much more fateful about it because not only do they not end up with her, but she’s constantly in their face reminding them of their respective inadequacies.



I stand by my belief that having Penny live and become the true hero, abandoning both Hammer and Horrible not only doesn’t miss the point, but makes the ‘good vs evil’ point with spot on precision that the original ending doesn’t.


And ignoring the whole ‘Penny dies plot’ and after several subsequent reviews, I still don’t think Act III has the overall quality that Acts I & II have.  Act III was not only a plot disappointment, but a quality disappointment also.  As a result, I won’t be sharing any of it with friends.


The serial wasn’t about ‘good vs. evil’ though. It was, as has already been stated, about consequence of choice. Half the reason Billy aspired to evil (aside from destroying the status quo) was to “show her the way”, to show Penny that he was a true villain, and thus to gain her affections. Thus the tragedy of it is that he could never have both evil and Penny. Had Penny suddenly stood up and become a mighty heroine, commanding everybody to do her bidding, the doctor would no longer have been a protagonist and Captain Hammer no longer his nemesis. This alternate ending presents them as one dimensional, childish characters bickering over a girl, which is not true to either of their characters. This is an oversimplified idea that tosses aside everything we have established about the three main characters, and it strikes me as having been written by somebody who couldn’t cope with a sad ending. Because that’s what this is, a SAD ending, not a BAD ending. And in what way did the quality drop in the third act? The songs were consistently great, the characters stayed true, the message was conveyed and the viewers were left in utter shock. I thought the entire serial, the message it conveyed AND the very reason for creating it were all completely brilliant, and for that I will show it to every one of my friends, and should the oppurtunity present itself, every one of yours too.

2:10 am
July 30, 2008


Mr. Furious

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Minnesota

posts 14