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Penny's Death

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11:23 pm
July 28, 2008


Mr. Furious

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It's always dangerous when you read into stuff that isn't there… especially in comic-bookish style entertainment.  Warning aside, I started wondering about Penny's "death."


For all intents and purposes, Penny suffered a shrapnel wound.  The first rule of shrapnel injury is NOT to remove the shrapnel at the scene.  It's likely to be hot and the site should be irrigated.  However, after she "dies", we see Dr. Horrible lift Penny onto a gurney with the Shrapnel missing.  I recognize the possibility of surviving those wounds are marginal at best, there may have been significant internal bleeding, and that the medics didn't seem to concerned about transporting her out of the site in any haste, but I can't help but wonder a few things:

1.  The external bleeding was fairly minimal for a puncture wound.  Even after the removal of the shrapnel, there just isn't much for blood.  I've seen bloody noses that are far more intimidating.  I guess you could say that Dr. Horrible removed the shrapnel after she died and that before she died it was just an issue of parts sealing the site.


2.  What if Penny's death wasn't a death?  What if she had just lost consciousness from blood loss?  Granted we didn't see much external blood loss, but it could have been internal injuries.


3.  What if she DID die but it was partially a result of Dr. Horrible's mis-care (early removal of the shrapnel)?


4.  After Penny's death, things sort of got "surreal" and there were reporters asking why Dr. Horrible killed [Penny].  However, it wasn't the first time that Dr. Horrible's imagination took over.  In "A Brand New Day" he fantasizes about squishing Captain Hammer and in the early part of the song, he sort of sings to Captain Hammer.  At no point do we believe he's actually in Hammer's face telling him that the birds are singing that he's "…gunna die!"  We have to realize that his imagination is not without precedence in this universe.


Now, if in part four we find out she didn't die, it will "happy things up", but I think it will take a lot of the meaning away from Dr. Horrible.  I think Whedon struggles with the balance and the bitter/sweetness.  It's hard to have a true scale of beauty if you don't have some contrasting ugliness.  I also want to echo another poster in these forums who stated that if there is never any real threat to main characters, there is no suspense and no real reason to fear a situation (paraphrasing).  However, I'm just getting at the fact that this doesn't necessarily have to be the end of Penny.  There is enough inconsistency to say that the door isn’t completely shut on her.

As nasty as this sounds, I'd prefer to allow Penny's death to color Dr. Horrible and have him learn to live with that tragedy.  Perhaps his memory of her will resurrect "Billy" and help him to take the path he failed to take before.    There are lots of ways to play this.  I just wanted to point out that Penny isn't necessarily "dead."

11:29 pm
July 28, 2008


TheGamut

Oxford, Mississippi

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posts 189

Or… they will use the Pennygate fiasco to twist the knife in further. Tongue out


One thing I've learned in life: It can always be worse (which ironically, makes what's going on now seem a lot better). :P

The gamut determines the acceptible range of conditions. It's Genius' Awesome Sauce in an 8oz. glass bottle with a cork stopper.

4:15 am
July 29, 2008


Mea

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She could always "haunt" him.  A figment of his imagnation of what she might be saying to him, at least what he pictures.

7:38 am
July 29, 2008


stitched up

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My Vegan friend Nazanine, came over and watched all three episodes and loved it until Penny was killed. Did not like it after that. "they killed the vegetarian" she rants…

Ok. back to the subject at hand…. In a comic book universe, anything is possible… Obviously, sorrow and bitterness over Penny's death (and the opportune timing of Hammer's fall from grace) catalized Dr. Horribles evil nature to allow him to finally rise in the ranks of Super-villany. But, being a comic book universe where a sequel could bring Penny back, this might undo the Doc's Evildom. Penny would need to come back Different. In a way that would further torture Dr. Horrible. And maybe Capt. Hammer as well. Since evil geniuses are in good supply, someone could Re-animate her ala Bride of Frankenstein. Or, clone her! Or two of her! Like Ren and Stimpy's Evil Ren and Indifferent Ren, The two Penny's could each inherit parts of her original personality. Or one could simply be bad, one could be good.

Ah well, we shall see what the hoped for episode four brings…

I miss Penny…

11:17 am
July 29, 2008


TheGamut

Oxford, Mississippi

Member of the ELE

posts 189

I see Penny everywhere: The Guild, interviews, re-runs of Dr. Horrible, The Legend of Neil… I even hear-tell she's been on Buffy (but I just can't bring myself to watch that show).

The gamut determines the acceptible range of conditions. It's Genius' Awesome Sauce in an 8oz. glass bottle with a cork stopper.

11:44 am
July 29, 2008


Spark

Capt.Hammer Groupie

posts 5

TheGamut said:

I see Penny everywhere: The Guild, interviews, re-runs of Dr. Horrible, The Legend of Neil… I even hear-tell she's been on Buffy (but I just can't bring myself to watch that show).


That's MetaPenny.  She's a member of the Good Guild of Good.


As others noted, this is a comicbook universe.  The possibilities are endless.  Penny could become Billy's subconcious… questioning Dr. Horrible's success.  Also keep in mind that Dr. Horrible's greatest success to date has been his Freeze Ray; a device that toys with time (or at least puts the target out of sync with normal time).  It would seem Dr. Horrible has gained some experience with toying with the nature of time and space.  I don't want to get too Star Trek here… but it's possible Dr. Horrible could be driven to create greater time-altering effects to save Penny.  And then, having discovered this possibility, realize that the after effect would be wonton destruction for millions of others and find himself faced with the Penny-concious and the purely selfish desire to bring Penny back.  Or worse (better?), in the middle of the attempt, be rejected by Penny who choses her death rather than the destruction her "saving" would involve.  Sacrifice.  Rejection.  That's tragic enough to pull the rug out of Penny-returns happiness.


Yup.  The field is wide open.



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