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8:00 am July 21, 2008
| TheGamut
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Let's say that some of my friends and I got together and made you a gift from our own blood, sweat and tears, expecting nothing in return, and you unwrap it, then hand it back and say "redo this". 
This is what I see people doing to them, and it's horrible.
(If you paid for it, that was your choice. You could have seen it for free, giving them nothing as they expected.)
I, myself, am in total awe that they just simply gave this to us. I could never repay them enough for such an honor. (And that's even though I bought all the episodes and will whole-heartedly get the DVD or BRD.)
To the ones that made this: Thank you. I would love to see more.
To the ones saying "redo this", shame on you.
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The gamut determines the acceptible range of conditions. It's Genius' Awesome Sauce in an 8oz. glass bottle with a cork stopper.
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8:06 am July 21, 2008
| darkshadow
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I agree wholeheartedly. I'm a bit saddened by the amount of people being all "I didn't like it, it needed a different ending"
The fact is, Nothing will ruin the fact that they GAVE us Dr. Horrible in the first place, and that was nice of them.
I will buy the dvd when it's released, and get the songs if they come out on English I Tunes.
Why can't people just be happy that they even got it? I loved Dr. Horrible, and always will.
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I've got a PHD in horribleness
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8:11 am July 21, 2008
| EThomas
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I hope the creators take the strength of people's reactions as actually another way of showing how much this show has affected people. Viewers wouldn't be so upset about the ending if they had not become so invested in the characters.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I believe the ending was amazing and (in retrospect) the ending that had to happen…for now. I do think that there is a lot of foreshadowing that this particular ending wasn't THE ending, and I genuinely hope that they plan on a continuation of some sort in the future.
So, for the record: "thank you."
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8:21 am July 21, 2008
| serenity1222
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I would not be surprised myself if Mr. Whedon is maybe MORE pleased by the "I hate the ending, do it over" comments then the praise. I say this because I remember James Marsters sharing at a Q&A at a convention in Chicago that Joss loves to provoke his audience into a negative reaction. For instance: He named the show Buffy the Vampire Slayer daring people to watch and make fun of it, only to end up watching and realize its a really cool show.
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9:12 am July 21, 2008
| ekingsley
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Well comming into this I can’t say I really knew who Joss Whedon was and definitely was not a fan (not bad not good just not a fan). I am a fan now however.
The first time I saw Act III I was disappointed I have to say. Now I have rewatched all the episodes more times than I probably should have and it was the perfect ending. Penny and Billy never could have made it as a couple, they both wanted change but that isn’t enough. They both had diametrically opposed visions to bring about change and they never could have co-existed.
Of course Capt. Hammer was such a cheese ball and so unlikable (in a likable way) that we just couldn’t have stood for him getting the girl. Think how upset folks would have been if he had ended up with Penny…
The story was just so cool. If you want a deep meaning and to disect it its there but if you are in it for some laughs and whats just on the surface it is still great.
I am not convinced that there will be more other than the extras on the DVD and if there arn’t thats OK this was fantastic and leaves a lot to the imagination which is sometimes better than being told how everything has to be. Musicals are really hard to pull off and I don’t know of a single musical sequel that lived up to the original (Greese II was just crap where the original is a classic).
I think this is just lightning in a bottle and I want to get that bottle and savor it for all its worth. Tomorrow I will be getting this off of iTunes to savor until the DVD and hopefully the soundtrack are available. I just can’t wait for Halloween to see how many Dr. Horribles, Capt. Hammers, and groupies there are.
Thanks!
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9:43 am July 21, 2008
| CozZaretta
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You can add my thanks to the list. It is incredible that not only would Joss give this to his fans, but Nathan Fillion and NPH would as well.
Joss does love to make us talk (and argue) with each other. However, demanding a new ending goes way to far.
I for one love it just the way it is. I would like to meet more of the ELE though (especially the Fake Thomas Jefferson)!
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10:08 am July 21, 2008
| pieceofgosa
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My thanks also to all involved, a truly ground-breaking work of art.
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9:48 pm July 21, 2008
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Hi there!
I liked the whole show, it was good, I had a bit of problems with the ending, but not because of the death of a character, but more because to me it felt like it wasn't as good as the first 2 acts, the pacing felt anti-climatic, and the songs, to be honest, i didn't think were nearly as good as the ones in the first 2, they were too Broadway for my taste, like they were written to extend the story line, instead of good songs that involved the story line, like the ones in the first 2 acts were.
But that's all a matter of opinion, and it wasn't something that made me think "oh this show is ruined" I liked it, I really did.
However I don't feel like I owe anyone anything, Wheddon did this cause it was a new venture, something that hadn't been done before, he didn't do it to please you or me, it's a pretty brave thing to do, going into a completly new bussines, and I applaud him for that.
But you talk about getting it for free like it's a big deal, so? I watched Buffy for free too, and Angel, Firefly, etc. Do I owe him thanks for those too?
The thing is Wheddon fans feel the need to defend him, if people didn't enjoy his work, then they probably have reason why they didn't, and they have the right to feel that way.
In the end the truth is that Wheddon will probably make more money out of this than what he invested, and even if it didn't the amount of buzz the show gathered, and the whole "going into a new type of media" thing, is what he was probably going after, so it'll be good for him, no matter what.
The point is, we don't owe him, or any of the people involved in this, anything. It'd be like saying "Josh owes me thanks cause I watched every episode of Buffy when they aired", no he doesn't, you decided to watch it, just like he decided to make it, no one owes anything to anyone.
However like I said, it's all a matter of opinion, and if you feel grateful, then you have every right to say thanks, just don't expect everyone else to do/feel/think the same as you.
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12:02 am July 22, 2008
| earthwulf
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I just made a massive post, forgot to log in, and lost it. Bah.
I agree… there are thanks that need to go around. Joss, his brother (Zack doesn't get enough props, I think), the actors, they really do deserve a round of applause.
If I had gotten this as a gift on mybirthday, and it was for me and me alone, there'd be no way in hell I'd say anything by "Ye gods, this is incredible! Thanks! Best gift ever, really!" That's not exactle what this is, though. This is a public piece, one the Whedons et al put out there for public viewing, criticism (good and bad), and dissection. This is something that Joss Whedon knew would get play – anything with his name attached to it will get play, and he knows it, he'd be naive not to. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, it's just something that, well, just is. It's not completely altruistic. An experiment? Yes. A gamble? Maybe some. But a totally altruistic gift? I'm fairly certain it wasn't. Even Doogie said that Joss was thinkingabout more than a couple webisodes.
Joss has stated at least once, if not more often, that this was a potential launching pad for something… bigger. Bigger how? He wouldn't be Joss Whedon if he was that straightforward. This is something to look at as more akin to an extended prievew in a movie, or a TV pilot, it's not going to stop here.
So while I think that everyone involved with the project deserves a huge round of thanks, I also think that the ones putting their opinions out there have every right to do so.
Man, I said I was done with Whedon. Just when I thought I was out, they… well, you know. Aarrgghh.
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12:30 am July 22, 2008
| matilda
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| Capt.Hammer Groupie | posts 9 |
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I'm also very thankful to them for just giving us this. It was awesome and if someone doesn't like it, they could keep it to themselves. This crew that made Dr. Horrible have done a great work and should be proud of it. Those who complain, why don't they try to do it better? Gosh, it makes me mad. The ending was sad, yes, but that's just the way it went, right? And from me, it was unexpected and that's a good thing i guess.
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3:00 am July 22, 2008
| pieceofgosa
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| Capt.Hammer Groupie | posts 43 |
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Brothers, Jed also worked on this.
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8:53 am July 24, 2008
| dannycolt
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| Capt.Hammer Groupie | posts 9 |
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EThomas said:
I hope the creators take the strength of people’s reactions as actually another way of showing how much this show has affected people. Viewers wouldn’t be so upset about the ending if they had not become so invested in the characters.
Spot on.
I think it´s amazing in many ways that we, the audience, manage to become so emotionally invested in characters that we actually only have known for about 20 minutes. Thats a good review for the Wheadon bros.
It´s kinda obvious that many of the "dissatisfied" people on this forum are actually just lashing out a little because they are mourning for Penny. Wich is ok, really. Emotions have to find an outlet. 
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5:47 pm July 29, 2008
| empimp
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dannycolt said:
It´s kinda obvious that many of the "dissatisfied" people on this forum are actually just lashing out a little because they are mourning for Penny.
While part of me is 'mourning for Penny' a larger part of me was amazed at the depth and brilliance that Josh and gang shared in Acts I & II, the lack of which made Act III such a disappointment. I planned on 'thanking' them by buying DVD's for friends and family (they same way I did with Firefly & Serenity; I only saw an episode here or there of Buffy and was never able to get into the story). Sadly, after Act III, while I will probably buy a DVD for myself, I won't buy any others for friends or family, and it has a lot more to do with the 'blah' quality of Act III than it does with Penny's death. I'm not normally vocal, if I don't like something I walk away. The reason that this has me as vocal as it does, is that Acts I & II were so awesome on so many levels and I want to share that awesomeness; but Act III was 'blah' and 'blah' in comparison to 'awesomeness' is… well it's bad; and so, to avoid sharing the 'blah' bad letdown with friends and family, I simply won't share any of it, and that has made me sad and vocal.
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4:09 am July 30, 2008
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I agree with Earthwulf.
Joss made this because he thought it would be cool, and yay for that. It wasn’t a present specifically made for me (if it were, he’d know I like happy endings and would have tailored it to my tastes, LOL).
Am I glad he made it? Sure. Am I putting money in his pocket by buying the iTunes downloads, the T-shirts, and the DVD when it comes out? Yep, I am.
Am I allowed to have the opinion that while it’s a brilliant piece, and I understand why he ended it that way, I personally would have preferred a happier ending?
Yup, I think I AM allowed to have my own personal opinion. And I don’t think Joss is particularly upset about that (not that he even knows what I think), so I don’t see why I’m obligated to bow down and shout “All hail the perfect, infallible Joss who can do no wrong!”
He’s a talented guy, I love his work, but I think I’m also allowed to not adore EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of every single thing he does. I’m a huge “Buffy” fan, but I still wish he hadn’t killed Tara. So sue me.
I also think it's a bit disingenuous to describe any dissent as "slapping Joss in the face" – as though Joss is home sobbing his eyes out because some people didn't like the ending. It's clear to me that Joss LOVES heated fan opinions and controversy – if he didn't, he wouldn't throw in shocker endings and unexpected deaths. If he could weather the Tara backlash, he can handle a few people saying they loved parts 1 and 2 but weren't as keen on No. 3, especially since those voices are the minority and most people seem to love it.
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7:44 am August 18, 2008
| pieceofgosa
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| Capt.Hammer Groupie | posts 43 |
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TheGamut, if you read his post, was not saying "anyone with a dissenting opinion better shut up" & if you read any of his other posts you will be reassured that this is the case, that he's not that kind of dude. There is another thread called "alternate endings" which I'm guessing this thread is a response to.
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